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Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1535	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:30:46 - [1] - Quote Who is creating these new null events? Are you suggesting population density alone will lead to greater conflict? And isn't that conclusion at odd with the current reality of greater alliance and coalition cooperation creating superwars followed by prolonged stagnation save boredom and prodding by CCP? Given that this is the pattern created thus far, how will adding more bodies, new or old, solve this?
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1536	Posted - 2015.08.06 18:47:49 - [2] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote: Your playstyle isn't the only playstyle, Feyd. First you had preached that everyone who didn't PVP was playing the game wrong. Now you're preaching that they're doing it wrong by not PVPing in sov. What's next? You move into a WH and suddenly we're playing the game wrong if we don't pray to BOB? I like much of what is said on your blog but try to draw the line at nerfing other people's playstyles for the sake of your own. I'm happy you're exciting about null, but the game should not bend to that excitement. -1 When you load up the map and look at the relative sizes of high, low and null you can plainly see an inverse correlation between size and character age. Highsec is quite large but most players in it are either young, very old or quit before they reach any advanced age. Nullsec is massive but has a comparitively high number of younger players than the other areas. Lowsec has a lot of much older players relative to it's system count. In my experience at least anyway. Wormholes are a mixed bag, I think that it's something you stay with if you experienced it bright and early in your eve career. While I don't care for most of what Feyd has written I can say with great confidence that if you take even 50% of highsec, turn it in to lowsec and expand on incursion style PVE as a content provider then the game will improve. Not just mechanically improve but also improve player counts as people will actually need to form communities to stand any real chance of progressing. What is the common factor between null, low and WH that highsec lacks? Real, meaningful corps that put money at risk. I will point you to runescape which while now is only a shadow of its former self but at its peak it had it had more players than EVE probably ever will and most of that game was dangerous territory where getting killed or ganked was a regular affair. EVE isn't as dangerous as people pretend but mostly if you look at it through the bottom of a beer glass - I mean there are huge number of activities to do but they all necessitate squandered time with questionable payout. Runescape was consistant at least in action=reward, while RNG in EVE will constantly **** you and burn you out. Are there any actual statistics or data backing any of this up? As it's written it seems like a number of conclusions based on anecdotal evidence, and speculation about personal preference. It also makes the same mistake of the op in assuming that changing the rules will change behaviors in a predictable fashion and by extension assumes that killing the game as certain people play it won't just result in attrition instead. And yes, we've all heard the "no one ever quite over changes" line, but we've also heard it from those who lack the capacity to prove it and further the ideas here are rather extreme even by the standards with which those words are typically used.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1536	Posted - 2015.08.06 20:21:01 - [3] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Well, like I said in a general thread -- what we do know is this... We sell new players on this, and this. We however then give them this. Until that simple paradox is addressed head on, EvE will always remain a niche game of stagnant growth. F This is not a paradox. Those players are free to pursue what is advertized. The fact that other options exist does not create any sort of contradiction or detraction from the advertized save maybe income generation. Further the elimination of those alternate paths does nothing to stand against the fact that the desire to cooperate for mutual benefit and the logistical and effort hurdles to creating those wars would still exist, still work to make these events rare, and possibly become worse as potential higher populations only create more work to support these wars. In the end, if these players are joining for those big battles the issue is with the advertizing, they still won't happen every day as it's unsustainable and those players still won't be participating in those glorified roles without working through the motions and training for extended periods of time. We can't rely on consistent B-R's while leaving the hurdles in place and further leaving the players to decide when they happen. And you won't eliminate the hamster wheel, just rename it and change it's sec status. Actually that's not quite right. The wheels of null are already in place and being run by null hamsters constantly, we will just have more hamsters on those wheels.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1536	Posted - 2015.08.06 20:29:00 - [4] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: ..10+ years of stagnant total growth, contrasted to BR-5 spikes, to the contrary. F And subsequent loss of that spike with no evidence that throwing more sov space at the problem is an effective solution. BR-5 contrasts nothing save the fact that the game sold on that single battle isn't and even with your proposal won't be the one we play.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1536	Posted - 2015.08.06 20:52:26 - [5] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: ..10+ years of stagnant total growth, contrasted to BR-5 spikes, to the contrary. F And subsequent loss of that spike with no evidence that throwing more sov space at the problem is an effective solution. BR-5 contrasts nothing save the fact that the game sold on that single battle isn't and even with your proposal won't be the one we play. Well we are going circular argument now, because I say loss of that spike is because we sell new players on big battles but then drop them on a hisec PVE hamster wheel. F And you overlook the fact that the nullsec hamster wheel would be no better. The issues with retaining the spike are and has been the fact that those enticed by it enter the game with: -No clear path to participating in those events -No affiliation with the player groups capable of creating those events -No ability to create those events on demand -No ability to participate in the more glorified roles for a long period of time -No understanding of what to realistically expect from everyday gameplay since these battles aren't constantly happening -No understanding of what to realistically expect from gameplay on the few occasions they are happening Your suggestions don't do anything about any of those. You've created no solution to null stagnation. You've created no means to streamline joining corps/alliances. You created no new incentives to fight in large scale wars, but did give more space to accommodate more players without further need for conflict. Meanwhile you removed all highsec combat options creating a land of true space pew immunity, the great carebear dream realized. Why?
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1543	Posted - 2015.08.07 18:54:41 - [6] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: The beating heart of Rome was the colleseum, and the blood on its sands. The beating heart of EvE online is nullsec battles. 10+ years in and we still scratch our heads on why total player growth has remained stagnant, kidding ourselves that its because 'EvE too hard'. That's elitist thinking, it's not too hard, it's too un-focussed, especially for new players. So long as EvE markets itself as BR-5's and spaceships in glorious combat like in the 'This is EvE' video, while handing new players a mining laser or endless security missions in hisec (without a cattle prod to get into nullsec), it will remain a niche game that never reaches critical mass. I liken EvE to a great burger shop, with a great burger story -- that over time the owners mistakenly decided to also sell sub-par fish sticks, or perhaps salads to vegans. Well, EvE needs to return to its roots and be the best burger shop out there as priority #1, and align its implementation to its marketing. Hype (and deliver) the great burger, not salads and fish-sticks. F I'm going to guess you ran out of steam on actually justifying the idea and have descended into rhetoric and propaganda mode. There isn't anything here that motivates me to align with you thinking, just repetition of the same idea that turning EvE into the WoW battlegrounds will solve all our woes. I do want a burger now though, so there's that I guess.

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